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Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:35 am
by TalkingAntColony
Afx, that statistic is a good reason for people not to commit suicide. Again, we can throw all these good reasons not to commit suicide at people, but at the end of the day some suicides will still happen. And for those that happen, we force them to suffer even more.

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 am
by afx
If we give them the manual then they are 100% successfull all the time and never have the chance to change their view on value of life after unsuccessful attempt. This speaks for itself. Thats why it is important to do maximum to prevent this

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:40 am
by nasibi
I just read up a little bit on assisted suicide. Turns out usually the main drugs they use are barbiturates. Sucks because such drugs may not have any effect on full blown pssd suferers. Drugs have no effect on us. We can take huge doses of alchohol and benzos and it will have no effect.

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:41 am
by raven100
TalkingAntColony wrote:Raven, you appear to be suggesting that the solution to the suffering caused by suicides is to prevent them in the first place by convincing people it's "not acceptable." What I am saying is, if it were that simple, we would have stopped all suicides already. I am being pragmatic and saying that no matter what we convince people, there will still be suicides. We cant stop them all. And for those that happen, they deserve the right to go out in dignity.


I said it's not acceptable to validate suicide as a choice, which is not the same thing at all. My position is that a medical professional validating people in their decision to commit suicide will fuel more suicide, and that we can prevent some but not all future cases if we resist the natural entropy that drives online spaces toward uninformed hopelessness, by pushing back against it.

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:45 am
by raven100
GIXXER wrote:He's obviously doing this to bring attention to PSSD. Maybe PSSD will gain some traction in the mainstream media and Big Phram will be accountable for destroying people's lives with these poisons.


That's what I used to think too, but if that's really the situation here then he's an idiot. The news story here is more likely to be that a medical professional is passively endorsing hunger strikes as a means of getting attention. It delegitimises the anti-psychiatry movement.

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:46 am
by TalkingAntColony
Afx, you are assuming that AS works like you just walk in and schedule your suicide. In actuality, we can make the system work such that you have to go through various levels of therapy before being accepted to the clinic. It could increase the percentage of suicidal people who actually see a therapist. If you think a failed suicide attempt is 90% successful at preventing suicide, surely you would think therapy could be a better option for these people than rolling the dice like that?

Raven, it does not have to "validate" suicide. Like I said, you can require people to go through therapy programs. If you believe we can change people's minds on suicide by "not validating" it, surely you must accept therapy can also change people's minds.

Anyway I've stated my opinions on the subject. I suppose this forum is probably not the best place to have these kind of ethics/healthcare policy debates on such a touchy subject.

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:55 am
by afx
Look at the example of Netherlands - the thing just went out of their hands. They are accepting people for euthanasia after couple of sessions, young, depressed.. Look at thier AS numbers how they progress recent years. Something is surely not right in this kind of system. And therapy does not equal to unsuccessfully attempted suicide and the whole "proccess" and "experience" suicide person goes through. And the numbers speaks for themself - these people simply change their mind for the rest of their life and do not attempt ever again

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:58 am
by raven100
TalkingAntColony wrote:Afx, you are assuming that AS works like you just walk in and schedule your suicide. In actuality, we can make the system work such that you have to go through various levels of therapy before being accepted to the clinic. It could increase the percentage of suicidal people who actually see a therapist. If you think a failed suicide attempt is 90% successful at preventing suicide, surely you would think therapy could be a better option for these people than rolling the dice like that?

Raven, it does not have to "validate" suicide. Like I said, you can require people to go through therapy programs. If you believe we can change people's minds on suicide by "not validating" it, surely you must accept therapy can also change people's minds.


Of course it validates suicide, if you tell a person that assisted suicide should be an option for them, they are more likely to believe that their situation warrants suicide. If they're in our situation they'll probably want to skip the required courses of heavy medication regardless.

Therapy can change people's minds but it is less likely to do so if one is only doing that therapy in order to get the green light for something much more final.

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:06 am
by dann888
Negative reads make sufferer more anxious and depressed. Final cause for the suicide will be not handled anxiety and/or depression. We should understand this by logically not by the emotions and keep fighting with that negative emotions. I suggest you guys to read about Buddhist philosophy it will help you to see things different and broad ways.

Re: Healy went crazy!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:48 am
by Ghost
Absolutely disgusting article from Healy.

I've been very critical of him in the past when he maybe didn't fully deserve it but this is a whole new level and comes at a time when this forum is mourning the loss of a member.

I was someone who felt suicidal for years and finally it has gone away. There is hope. Suicide is NEVER the best option unless you have tried EVERYTHING (something that would take an entire lifetime to do).